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				Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:55 pm
				by fnoller
				Hello I bought a draw bar to my Fordson, but I am missing some parts  

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I've marked the missing parts in red .. 
 
does anyone have the dimensions of the various pins, bolts and bracket.  
 
  
the bracket and pins can I make if I could get the dimensions, since I am industrial techniques ..... 
thanks in advance Kenneth
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:59 pm
				by henk
				 
The other pins are just strait ones with a strait head. Measure the holes and the thickness of the parts and you can machine them. The pin 4744 is strait with on both sides a chamfer and on one side a grove for the locking plate. The locking plate on the 119863 is a piece of flat metal with a hole for the stud and the radius is the same as the bottom of the grove in the pin.
Bold and nuts are all standard UNC threat.
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:09 pm
				by halloween
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:05 pm
				by fnoller
				henk wrote:The other pins are just strait ones with a strait head. Measure the holes and the thickness of the parts and you can machine them. The pin 4744 is strait with on both sides a chamfer and on one side a grove for the locking plate. The locking plate on the 119863 is a piece of flat metal with a hole for the stud and the radius is the same as the bottom of the grove in the pin.
Bold and nuts are all standard UNC threat.
Thanks  
 
  
Now i'm just need some dimensions for the bracket 4736, and what is the 4732 for??
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:56 am
				by Dandy Dave
				4732 looks like the only number that I cannot see as it is slightly off of the page. If it is the pin I think it is, it goes into the bottom of the transmission to align, and hold the drawbar casting in place. Dandy Dave!
			 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:54 pm
				by fnoller
				Dandy Dave wrote:4732 looks like the only number that I cannot see as it is slightly off of the page. If it is the pin I think it is, it goes into the bottom of the transmission to align, and hold the drawbar casting in place. Dandy Dave!
Yes its the pin... okay so the draw force is going to the pin instead of the four unc bolts... thanks  
 
 
Anyone who has the measure from flat surface on transmission down to the center of the pin 4744  

 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:59 am
				by fnoller
				Aren't there just one kind person who has the measures for til bracket under the transmission  

 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:25 pm
				by k morto
				have you tryed agriline for your missing parts or even old twenty
			 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:37 pm
				by henk
				You mean this part?
 
I'll see what I can do.
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:19 pm
				by fnoller
				k morto wrote:have you tryed agriline for your missing parts or even old twenty
They dont have that part  
 
 
henk wrote:You mean this part?
 
I'll see what I can do.
 
Hey
Thats the part  
 
 
it would be very pleased if you could give me the dimensions of the bracket  
 
   
   
   
   
   
 
Regards 
Kenneth
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:22 pm
				by henk
				I will see if I can find the time to draw it.
			 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:29 am
				by k morto
				ok try cotsworld tractor spares  they are breakers of tractors     

 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:36 pm
				by henk
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:22 pm
				by BearCreek Majors
				Henk, You ROCK!!! 
 
 
Pat
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:42 pm
				by fnoller
				Hi Henk...
Awesome  

  thanks for the drawings
there is only missing one measure, i have marked red at my drawing  
 
 
 
Many many many regards
Kenneth
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:12 pm
				by henk
				You are right. Thanks.
What cad program are you using?
I'm working with Solid Edge
			 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:35 am
				by super6954
				Well I am impressed with all the drawings and the skills being shown here,  I kinda think there is at least 2 guys on the forum that have way to much spare time 
 
  
  
  if you  actually end up making this part from the drawings please put up pictures  

 . This is gonna be something that's going to have a high degree of engineering and be beyond most of us here's  ability/ machine availability 

 ,it will be very interesting to see 

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Regards Robert
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:07 pm
				by fnoller
				henk wrote:You are right. Thanks.
What cad program are you using?
I'm working with Solid Edge
Hi Henk
I'm using Solidworks  

 , is the red measure 101mm true  

  or is it 100mm  

 i was just guessed...  
 
 
Regards
Kenneth
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 am
				by henk
				It's not a matter of too much spare time. I have to practice my skills to keep ahead of the students. Beside I like doing it. Whit these modern 3D cad programmes it's possible to draw fast. You learn a lot of these sometimes strange casted parts.
The measure 101 should be 101.6 mm.
I'm know the programme but never used it. At schools over here they use SE, SW or inventor from AutoCAD. We have chosen for SE.
			 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:28 pm
				by super6954
				[quote="henk"]It's not a matter of too much spare time. I have to practice my skills to keep ahead of the students. Beside I like doing it. Whit these modern 3D cad programmes it's possible to draw fast. You learn a lot of these sometimes strange casted parts.
Hi Henk 
yes being ahead of the Students is a good thing and this is certainly good practice for you.I would not have the patience to do this,I would still be on the phone looking for the original. When I was in school sometimes i think the person that was 3 pages ahead in the text book stood at the front and taught us 

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 i guess this information will get fed into a computer controlled lathe and miller and be done pretty sharp too 

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Regards Robert
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:52 pm
				by fnoller
				henk wrote:
The measure 101 should be 101.6 mm.
I'm know the programme but never used it. At schools over here they use SE, SW or inventor from AutoCAD. We have chosen for SE.
Nice i changed the measure  

 ... We did try SE and inventor at work, but we feel in love in SW  
 
 
And SW is working great along with my cnc mill  

 så if i can draw it, its making it  
 
  
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:48 pm
				by henk
				The next step for me will be the use of EdgeCam with the use of a small CNC lathe. We do not have a CNC milling machine. BUT!!!! We just received an offer for a 3D printer. That will make real plastic components. But I guess a plastic drawbar will not do. 

 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:58 pm
				by fnoller
				henk wrote:The next step for me will be the use of EdgeCam with the use of a small CNC lathe. We do not have a CNC milling machine. BUT!!!! We just received an offer for a 3D printer. That will make real plastic components. But I guess a plastic drawbar will not do. 

 
Have you seen delcam??  

  and even better delcam for solidworks, drawing and cnc program in one go  
 
   
 
if you get that printer cant you print a pair of fenders for my major  
 
  
 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:00 pm
				by fnoller
				Hi
Now i finaly got some sparetime  
 
 
Bottom side is now milled
 
And a little film with chipping in the cnc mill 
 http://youtu.be/4PQABVTOw0Y
 
http://youtu.be/4PQABVTOw0Y 
			
					
				Re: Missing parts for draw bar
				Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:28 pm
				by Nick
				Now were talking!  This is the kind of thing that makes this forum special, its amazing what some of you guys churn out, whether it be engineering skills like this or mechanical knowhow!
Looking forward to seeing the finished product here  
