knob/lever ID

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Richard Tillman
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knob/lever ID

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Sorry for the picture size. Hope everyone is having a great day. I have finally gotten my dexta home and have no idea what some of these levers are for. Here are some pics. The lever with the black knob...what is it? it has linkage that goes to the main control lever but only is engaged a 1/4 inch or so when the main control lever is put all the way to the back..
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This lever on the side of the transmission/transfer case. What is it? I know one is quality control or something like that. I tried to find these in the online manuals but the picture quality combined with my eyesite doesn't allow me to see what they are pointing at
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To see all pictures in the album...
http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg14 ... 20Tractor/

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Hi Richard,
Turning the black knob adjusts the speed at which the hydraulic oil flows to the 3-point lift or to auxillary hydraulics (pull out knob just under the black knob lever).
The F and S as seen in your photo are for fast and slow.
Moving the quadrant control lever right up to the top will pull the hydraulics into the fast operating postion.

The lever in the second photo is for selecting position control (eg:bale fork or skidding logs) or draft control (eg: used with plow or cultivator).
The photo shows it is set in position control.
Pushing it down so it is pointing straight down sets it in draft control.

Hope this helps,
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Thank you Lesfen. Yes your reply helps. It brings up more questions. Like I stated in my first introduction post this is my first tractor ownership of any kind. Until I got this one I had never even sat on a old tractor of this style before. I know nothing about this machine. This tractor will be used more for maintaining a steep driveway (soil moving/transferring/leveling) and land clean up (tree branch removal/weed control etc.). Right now I only have a one armed bandit trip bucket loader and a box scraper without rippers. Should position control be set to draft when using the scraper? My right tire spins and digs a hole in the ground when I try to go uphill with the scraper box down.

The black knob itself spins? I cannot get mine to move at all. Do I need to push in or pull out on the knob for it to spin? The whole lever moves about 1/2 inch when I push the level to wards the left side of the tractor but all it does is slightly move the linkage that goes to the main control lever.

As you can tell I don't know what items are called or how they work. I'm trying to learn. I have so many firsts with this machine. For instance... I'm afraid to try and check the air cleaner system. I've never seen a oil bath air cleaner before.

Once again... thank you very much for answering me.

Rick

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Richard,
Position Control is for implements used above the soil, Draft Control is for soil engaging implements.

Always use Position Control for attaching implements. This is for safety reasons, the lift will only move if the control lever is moved.
Always use Draft Control when using loaders, trailers and other implements on the Auxiliary Service Port. Safety again.

The Flow Control is used when ploughing or cultivating to control the lifts reaction to changes in Draft. They do seize up but unless you are doing a lot of soil engaging work, you may never need it.

Sounds like you may need some balast in the tyres or wheel weights.
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Thank you Brian. A scraper engages soil so it should be used with draft. Right? Sorry for sounding stupid but I'd like to get the most from this machine and that requires I use it correctly.

As for the auxiliary service port.. where is it? Is that where my bucket loader is already plugged into? It utilizes a quick disconnect but the way the previous owner routed the lines I'd have to unscrew fittings to use the quick disconnect.

Speaking of hydraulics... how do I check the hydraulic oil level? In my album I linked to earlier I have some pictures of some service plugs. One on the left side by the PTO lever.. maybe a fill level plug? and a big plug on the top of the back under the right side of the seat... maybe a fill plug? What kind of fluid is used as hydraulic fluid? When I used the loader there was a couple times the loader bucket wouldn't rise up unless i pushed in and pulled out the the hydraulic control knob once or twice. Hoping the level is a little low which would be a easy fix.

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Have you found the owners manual here: http://www.fordsontractorpages.nl/manua ... _part1.htm

and the workshop manual here: http://www.fordson-dexta.de/

It's worth looking out on ebay for an original (or even a photocopy) Supe Dexta owners handbook. Apart from being very useful, they are becoming collectable, and sell for £20-£30.
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Thank you for the link to the manuals but they still don't answer my questions. The draft control lever on my tractor doesn't work right. When placed into draft neither the 3point nor the bucket worked. I am forced to use everything in position control.
And today a friend got onto the tractor ran the bucket up to its highest point and now after he lowered the bucket back to the ground, it no longer rises. No matter what I try the bucket will not raise up. The line from the auxillary conection did lose about a pint of hydraulic fluid when the bucket was at its highest point. What was a weeping line became a leaking line with the bucket up. The 3 point hitch still works. Could low hydraulic fluid level be the culprit?
If it is I still have no idea how to check the hydraulic fluid level nor where to refill it at. I also would like to know what type of fluid to use if needed. Can anyone help me?

Thank you to all who answer and sorry for being a pest.


Rick

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hi

the gear box has its own oil system and filler plug next the gear stix the level plug is a little square headed plug brass plug, wen sat on the seatits near ur right leg ( if i remember right :oops: think its that side ) , unsrew little plug , add oil at the top untill it comes out of the lille hole , replace little plug oil is full .
but the hydaulics oil , backend oil , differential ect. ( the one thats relavant ) has its own system. level plug is on the left side wen ur sat on the tractor , hiding behind the lever for the pto , above were the clutch pedal is mounted. filler is at the back above the differential , near the top link mounting piont , ( both fillers are the same size plug , wen removed will leave a big hole , prob 1 " pluss , big plug /cap )

top up in the same way both use same type of oil oil types on the dexta home page six th one down .
prob check hydaulic / backend level with loader lowered
i think there sepperate so if ure using alot of oil on a external , tipping a big traler / ram or have a leaking external service u can only lower the backend oil not the gear box level aswell , but i could be wrong on that one, :oops:

when i use my mate large renault 145 with his big dump tailer if u fully tip the trailer u start to loose power stearing untill u drop the body a bit lol obviously same oil system .


hope this helps

for the non working of the position control setting search for cam follower pin wear
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It's important you don't undo the wrong nut when looking for the oil level plugs, as things can drop off internally :(
I suggest an Owners Manual would be a worthwhile investment.

Ref type of oil, see Brian's sticky in Dexta sub forum. :wink:
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Well now Bensdexta has me afraid to check the backend fluid level. The last thing I need is to drop parts off into the rear end case. I bought this tractor to use and now it appears I spent $3500 for a tractor shaped lawn decoration. I have a operators handbook and a shop manual but neither actually point directly to the exact plugs. Iwill see if a owners manual is available somewhere online. Until then I need to get this bucket up so that I can move the tractor. Can someone verify my pictures as the correct plugs as the rear end fluid level and fill plugs?
Fluid type calls for SAE 30hd. This is sold as diesel motor oil here. Is this truly what I am suppose to use?

This is the plug under the pto lever that I am assuming is the fluid level indicator. Rear end is filled when fluid comes out. Am I right?

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This is the fill plug under the seat by the top link mounting point. Am I right?

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Richard, Yes and Yes. There is also a level plug on the RH side of the gearbox. It also has a square head.
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Hi Richard
For a demo of the Qualitrol hydraulic position take a look at this youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGQZM57 ... re=related.
The best advice on identifying whether you undo the wrong fitting is to remember that hex heads usually hold something (ie a filter securing bolt) wheras a square head is usually a plug to seal something.
Please note that I have used the word usually twice as there is always the exception to the rule!
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As a rule of thumb level plugs have square heads whereas bolts holding something inside will have hexagonal heads. The filler plugs are easily identifiable as you have shown in your picture.

The oil level should be checked with all external rams fully extended and hydraulics raised.
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Richard Tillman wrote:Fluid type calls for SAE 30hd. This is sold as diesel motor oil here. Is this truly what I am suppose to use?
Ref oil type, see last post here by Brian:
http://www.fordsontractorpages.nl/phpbb ... oil#p23675
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